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  • #3607

    Ivan Ganza
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    The feeling I get is that you may be ready to open up to these teachings, yet might be feeling some understandable hesitation before fully embracing what the Buddha offered? It’s hard to tell as we are exchanging little glowing slabs of text 😉 So let us know if I’m on the right rack…

    It’s totally natural to feel some hesitation and test the waters before diving in…; I think we are genetically predisposed to that type of behavior anyhow —

    Sometimes a little bit of faith is needed to jump start the process. I found that faith in my own way, by listening to the talks on the DT site (especially the teaching retreats) — those being a huge catalyst.

    You can trust that following what the Buddha taught, informed via the TMI book as an initial filter, does work. Are you guaranteed to have the experience of an Arahant? Or how about the experience of a stream entrant? or something more? Something less? Who can say…

    I said Filter because (in my experience) one must be careful to separate out information directly related to the awakening process vs. rules and procedures based on necessity, and cultural context, that has been added over time. The TMI book can help serve as a filter because (in my opinion) the information presented gives you enough context to filter out what is directly related to awakening.

    In relation to being paid or accepting money:

    The criteria for whether or not my acceptance of money is skillful, is strictly related to the intention behind accepting the money, and if clinging/craving are involved. I invite you to start listening to the talks by Culadasa over a long period of time. He goes into great detail about intention, right lively, and so on, etc…; hopefully that will kindle your fire to jump in!

    Give all those talks a good listen!!

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

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    #3597

    Ivan Ganza
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    Hi Oded,

    It is important to note however — there is no such thing as an “individual”.

    The cognitive event you speak of can be said to occur to/within the mind-system.

    I might be just duelling with semantics though — I feel it’s important — the term individual brings up feelings of a solidly-existing entity moving along a timeline.

    That idea can never become enlightened or awaken.

    The mind-system however can experience a cognitive event which changes it’s existing mental models — aka: Awakening.

    #3590

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    There is a great saying which always comes to mind with threads like these:

    “There are no enlightened individuals, only enlightened behavior”


    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

    (DT Teacher)

    #3589

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Alex,

    I think it is a matter of perspective.

    For example — If I take the highest possible view and look out — I might say there is a single process of information exchange. And that might be a good way to look at it from that perspective.

    If I dig into this process on a finer level — within that process — would it not inevitability start to look like there were multiple instances within the greater process?

    Seems to me it depends on how and where we take our stand, how we want to look at it.

    Ultimately though, none of these concepts can fully capture, and it is like grabbing handfuls of sand. Good to a point, however when pushed to far…

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    #3571

    Ivan Ganza
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    Greetings,

    This has been a nice thread.

    I think we need to slightly correct the definition of “Consciousness” posted by Santtu above;

    Let me type the text from the TMI Glossary (pg. 417):

    “The Moments of Consciousness and Mind-System models conceptualize consciousness as a “place” within the mind where information exchange happens. Although thinking of consciousness as a locus or place is useful in simpler theoretical models of the mind, the idea is, in the end, problematic. Therefore, as such models evolve, the final conception of consciousness is not as a place, but simply as the process of information exchange…..”

    Consciousness (as we define it in TMI domain) is not a place, but simply the process of information exchange.

    All we have is process….

    Can we go beyond and define what that is?

    Very difficult. Impossible to define with words.

    We arrive at the place of not knowing.

    Of not needing to know.

    The place of wonder.

    (DT Teacher)

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    #3421

    Ivan Ganza
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    Hi Mohnish,

    I think you are correct.

    However — depending on the task and context of situation — there may be times (at least in my experience) where there is not much peripheral awareness for a time. Then the balance will shift again.

    It is a natural ebb and flow….

    For example; If I am visualizing a complex computer problem in my mind, I may not have much peripheral awareness at that time. I need all my processing power just to ponder and resolve the problem. There is only so much conscious awareness to go around.

    There is no rule which says peripheral awareness must be maintained at all times (as far as I know). The appropriate balance in contextual.

    The appropriate balance of attention and peripheral awareness for the given situation.

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

    (DT Teacher in Training)

    #3415

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Mohnish,

    It is very similar to formal meditation, for example returning to the breath each time we are alerted attention has wandered.

    Basically you stay with the relevant activity you are doing, and that is pretty much it. If the mind then wanders, it is noticed, and one returns again to that activity. It is really very natural and becomes quite normal to be simply on the task at hand, happily typing away or whatever it is, and staying with that. There will also be a sense of the room and what’s going on the in background, which can usually be quite pleasant. For example, while I am typing this the light is shining ever so beautifully and I can hear the sound of the heating system as it’s cold outside here near Calgary.

    To Summarize; stay with what you are doing, when wandering is noticed, simply return. Eventually it becomes automatic (so you don’t need to do anything active) — it just occurs on it’s own.

    Cheers!

    -Ivan/
    (DT Teaching in Training)

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    #3258

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Florian,

    Shikantaza and such practices are deep and effective. From your descriptions above it sounds like you are ready to explore these practices.

    To get a context apart from what you already have, I would suggest the following two books. They should give you an excellent context.

    Cultivating the Empty Field

    https://www.amazon.ca/Cultivating-Empty-Field-Illumination-Hongzhi/dp/0804832404/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534361175&sr=8-1&keywords=cultivating+the+empty+field

    AND

    The Art of Just Sitting

    https://www.amazon.ca/Art-Just-Sitting-Essential-Shikantaza/dp/086171394X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534361201&sr=1-1&keywords=the+practice+of+just+sitting

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/ (DT Teacher in Training)

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    #3155

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Tom,

    Thanks for the details.

    It is very difficult to guide based on what we know so far, just from an initial email exchange.

    Have you been practicing alone with just the book? Have you had access to any teachers, TMI or otherwise? Have you had any previous experience with meditation or TMI is your first?

    I would be happy to connect wth you on video to see if we can start a dialog that may help steer your forward. Please message personally here if that might be something you want to try.

    Otherwise we might be able to try and tease it out here but might be quite a lengthy process -)

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

    (DT Teacher in Training)

    #2922

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Peter W,

    Thank you for the wonderful poem 😉

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/ (DT Teacher in Training)

    #2847

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Bernadette,

    I wasn’t sure who you were asking about making up a schedule?

    It’s hard for me to think what your schedule should be. What I can suggest is pencil in as much time for formal sessions as you can. Add times for lunch, dinner etc interspaced between blocks of 2,3,4 hours, based your personal capabilities. Then I would alternate between sitting on the cushion and walking meditation. Using those two together is critical in my experience. Also you can start to alternate sitting on the cushion and in a chair, if you find you are starting to get sore and uncomfortable too often. We each have to check that for ourselves. You might find by the fifth day for example you really need to sit in the chair a little bit.

    Also try to bring meditation to all activities during that time. Eating, drinking, washroom breaks etc.

    Suggest to take it easy and build up slowly as the days go by.

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

    #2828

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Bernadette,

    I found the teaching retreats to be of great benefit. Every single one is golden: Maybe pick the one that calls to you, if you go this route:

    https://dharmatreasure.org/teaching-retreats/

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/ (DT Teacher in Training)

    #2782

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Every moment is pregnant with the possibility for Insight. Insight is simply seeing how things really are. They have never been different than how they really are. Only our false assumptions appeared to temporarily cloud the true state of things.

    It’s not too hard to find brilliant scientific facts, or just puzzle it around in ones mind, and have a little “aha”, well, obviously things cannot be the way I think, this or that proves it differently.

    Generally that only scratches the surface however. Does not penetrate the armor we’ve built up over a lifetime.

    In order to penetrate deeply, unification of mind helps soften the armor. In order to unify the mind — practice along the stages as outlined does what is needed.

    Does that mean you have to wait for Insight to arise until after the mind is unified? Absolutely not!

    Concentration and Insight are like the two wings of a bird. Both are needed to take flight. You will inevitably start to see as you do the practices and observe what is happening.

    #2774

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Peter W,

    Just do it 😉

    All is revealed via practice. Questions resolve themselves via practice and Insight.

    Tasting the ice cream vs. talking about it.

    Certainly it’s healthy to do some of that…; in the end there is only me and the cushion, and how far I’m willing to let the process go.

    #2770

    Ivan Ganza
    Member

    Hi Peter W,

    Sorry I should have been more specific. I was not necessarily endorsing liberation unleashed, or any other form of teaching. Nor was I putting less priority on practicing the stages and so on.

    However — was happy to see Pablo talking about simplicity and how ordinary and obvious this is, once truly seen 😉

    My personal opinion is that one should become very familiar with the practices in the stages, gaining solid skills along the way. There comes a point along where ‘other’ teachings may possibly be of help. I think only with good guidance from a teacher or spiritual friend can it be known when it is appropriate to do that.

    Also — when you are skilled meditator (in the context of TMI), any ‘other’ practice you do, will likely be more effective — since the mind should be well trained by then.

    Bottom line; I would stick with the stages and not veer off too much. There can be a tendency to try this or that, to keep circling around looking for the best next practice. That seems to me not a good way to go.

    Cheers,
    -Ivan/

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