• I only have a thought regarding appreciating the moment where you come back to the breath. I went through exactly what you describe in my practice. The mind would notice it was off the breath, then automatically go back to the breath before I was consciously aware of having forgotten the breath.

    The main thing for me was to accept that whenever I…[Read more]

  • moln1,

    I believe I’ve just come out the other side from a very similar process to what you are experiencing right now. When I entered stage four a lot of mental activity and dull dream-like states arose. It felt like I was in a meditative state “less advanced” than when I was back in stage two. I went into a spiral of judging and doubt over the…[Read more]

  • lemmefly,

    A trick for tense eyes that helped me (your mileage may vary): With your eyes closed direct attention to the optic nerve connection at the back of the eye. That slowly results in the eye taking a softer focus (even with eyes closed) and helps with eye strain.

    Note: You may not necessarily “feel” the optic nerve. It’s more about…[Read more]

  • Rob LaMorgese replied to the topic Between 3 & 4 in the forum Meditation 3 years ago

    Just wanted to report something that I find interesting. I recently changed my intention for the 2nd stage of the preliminaries. Before it was something along the lines of: work with what comes up or cultivate introspective awareness. It popped into mind recently to rephrase it to be “Make friends with gross distractions.”

    My sits changed. Before…[Read more]

  • Rob LaMorgese replied to the topic Between 3 & 4 in the forum Meditation 3 years, 1 month ago

    Ted,

    Thanks for the reply. At your suggestion, I went back to the book and looked things over. The section dealing with cultivating introspective awareness did help. Particularly this passage:

    “It’s like standing back a bit from the meditation object— just enough to keep the breath at the center of your attention while you take in everything els…[Read more]

  • Rob LaMorgese replied to the topic Between 3 & 4 in the forum Meditation 3 years, 1 month ago

    I feel profoundly stuck lately. I have been consistent with daily practice, usually 45-60 mins sits. There are occasional days where I do shorter sits due to time constraints.
    I sit at 6am, so I’ve adjusted bed time earlier to ensure I’m getting enough rest.

    In the past, when I forgot the breath it would feel like a waking up moment; that my…[Read more]

  • Rob LaMorgese replied to the topic Between 3 & 4 in the forum Meditation 3 years, 3 months ago

    Thanks for your thoughts, Ted. They are much appreciated.

    I’ll try moving forward with stage 4 and see how that goes.

  • By my estimation I am still in stage 3. Forgetting is mostly gone; a handful of instances in an hour long sit. However, these are borderline instances. Times where the breath might still be lightly in peripheral awareness but could perhaps have dropped out all together. Because awareness is so low (if still there) I believe I need to keep working…[Read more]