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  • #3539

    JavaJeff
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    I believe the standard practice recommended if you are experiencing “dark night” symptoms is loving-kindness meditation, especially directed towards yourself. This is covered in Appendix C of the TMI book.

    If you are having a really rough time, you might also consider contacting someone who specifically deals with people going through difficult “dark night” or kundalini-type experiences. Bonnie Greenwell and Willoughby Britton come to mind, and our very own Tucker Peck may be of help as well.

    #3476

    JavaJeff
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    #3390

    JavaJeff
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    Cool idea! Really interesting and fun exercise. Especially the last part – quite a challenge. 🙂

    #3270

    JavaJeff
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    What edition of MN are you reading? I find it important to find an edition that is translated well. This means that the translator should be not only an expert in reading Pali, but also a seasoned practitioner him/herself. For my money, you can’t beat “The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha: A Translation of the Majjhima Nikaya,” by Bhikkhu Nanamoli and Bhikkhu Bodhi.

    The repetition you refer to is intentional. You have to remember that the suttas were passed down orally for several hundred years before being committed to the written page. The repetition served as a way for important passages/concepts to be embedded into the collective memory of the sangha, and also aided in ensuring accuracy over the centuries. The book I mentioned above does away with much of the repetition occurring within the same areas of a given sutta. You’ll still encounter a lot of repetition from one sutta to the next, though – which is good, IMHO, since many of the concepts presented (e.g. dependent origination, the five hindrances, voidness, the five aggregates, etc.) are hard to penetrate, and repetition breeds familiarity.

    Another problem is that many phrases in Pali do not have an exact translation into English. The English words chosen by translators often have unintended connotations that were not there in the original Pali; and as a corollary, there were alomost certainly connotations associated with the Pali words that an English word can’t convey. So you’re dealing not only with the language barrier, but a cultural barrier as well – remember that this material was taught to groups of people from India, 2600 years ago, a largely agrarian society with a completely different social structure than we have today.

    As you said, learning the suttas is a skill. You can take the approach of just reading them (which is admirable, but difficult). Or you can try to learn from someone else’s attempts at translating the meaning. Probably the best approach is to combine those two, and also start listening to dhamma talks. A book like What The Buddha Taught or In The Buddha’s words is also a good place to start for learning concepts. And of course there is a wonderful series of audio teachings called “A Systematic Study of the Majjhima Nikaya” that is available here: https://bodhimonastery.org/a-systematic-study-of-the-majjhima-nikaya.html.

    I do not recommend the commentaries (e.g. Visuddhimagga or Vimuttimagga) for trying to comprehend the Buddha’s words. They are texts written nearly a thousand years after the original tipitaka was laid down. They do not represent the true word of the Buddha in many important aspects. They can be important resources for advanced practitioners, but I don’t feel they represent the Buddha’s teachings accurately, and they outright contradict them in many places.

    Here are some additional resources you might want to look into:
    https://suttacentral.net/
    https://puredhamma.net/
    https://audiodharma.org/
    http://buddhiststudies.commongroundmeditation.org/
    http://palicanon.org/

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    #3253

    JavaJeff
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    Turns out I actually asked this question on Reddit a year ago abut had forgotten about it. :-/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMindIlluminated/comments/6etrk9/meditating_outside/

    #3200

    JavaJeff
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    It’s funny you bring this up. I was thinking of a very similar thing not too long ago…what is called a “concordance” in literary circles. It would be very valuable. A helluva lot of work, though.

    One of the main issues I thought of was to agree upon a standard way of transcribing spoken word – do we trim out asides that are not pertinent to the topic? Do we trim out superfluous words/utterances (the “uh”s)? etc.

    #3181

    JavaJeff
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    I would be interested in another day as well, if anyone’s counting. Weekday evenings are the least busy for me. Weekends are tough because of family/kids.

    #2535

    JavaJeff
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    Great summary post, thanks Henk!

    #2457

    JavaJeff
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    Hi Ido,

    Lots of questions! I’ll try to answer about the things I know since your post has been unanswered to date.

    First thing, make sure you don’t get confused between the terms “steps” and “stages” in TMI-parlance. There are 4 *steps* in the initial transition exercise used to begin your meditation sessions. There are 10 *stages* in the overall TMI model, corresponding to the relative maturity of your practice. The distinction may seem petty but it’s important.

    I don’t know if there is a hard-and-fast answer on when to move between the steps in the initial transition exercise. I do know that Culadasa states in the book that some sessions may be taken up almost entirely just with the steps, or even the first couple of steps. I would say, experiement and see what works for you. You will likely find that your initial transition exercise will change over time. I know that I spend only a minute or two on them nowadays but in the beginning I would spend much longer. I know other folks who don’t even use it anymore, but they are well beyond me.

    As far as when to move from one step to the next, I personally just let it unfold naturally…there seems to be an intuition that tells me it’s time to move onto the next step. But you could always set a timer.

    When your’e on the 4th step and focused solely on the sensations of the body in the small area around the nose, and you notice a pain arise in the body, or maybe a sound come into awareness or attention…yes, you’re right…’let it come, let it be, let it go.’ Your attention may be caught for a moment but once you notice that, return gently to the area around the nose. I would say the same applies to whenever you notice feelings of joy or pleasure pop up. For me, the really intrusive things are not feelings or sounds, but thoughts. Maybe I just have an active mind but I often still find myself following thought streams (which is mind-wandering). And of course, the instruction is, when you finally notice that you’re no longer on the object of meditation (this is the “Aha!” moment), congratulate yourself, then relturn without beating yourself up in any way. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Finally, you may get answers more quickly on the TMI Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/. It seems to be more active than these forum, although the answers you get here tend to come directly from TMI teachers and teachers-in-training, while over at Reddit you’re going to get all sorts of people. Anyway, pertaining to your questions, I know many of them have been asked there before, so if you search on some key phrases like “steps,” you’ll see lots of content to consider.

    I’m sure others here with way more experience and knowledge than I can fill you in on more details.

    Best, Jeff

    #2446

    JavaJeff
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    Samuel, could you elaborate on this please? How is the end result of Dzogchen different than the end result of insight meditation? Thanks, Jeff

    #2417

    JavaJeff
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    I love this – thank you. Very relevant to my current inquiries into being-here-now, versus getting caught up in the stories of the world

    – Jeff

    #2368

    JavaJeff
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    I have some experience doing TMI-style practices in bed. This might not help one get to sleep, but it can pass the time spent in bed quite nicely.

    I often awake very early in the morning so I can sneak in a little bit of quiet practice before the rest of the house gets up. The trouble is, of course, that I am often quite sleepy at that time, so I have settled on doing a modified body-scan, similar to what Culadasa recommends in Stage 5, but while lying in bed instead of sitting with hands in lap.

    The practice involves focusing attention on progressively larger areas of the body, starting with something very small, like the tip of a finger, and then very slowly moving the point of attention, gradually widening the scope of attention. So, for example, placing attention on the very center of the tip of my right index finger, I focus there until I can actually *feel* it. I then move attention to the right side, then the left side of the fingertip, then the nail, the cuticle, the pad, around the surface of the finger up to the first knuckle, always making sure to *feel* instead of conceptualizing. Then I move on to the area between the first and second knuckle, then the area between the second and third knuckle, and stop once I get to the place where the finger meets the hand. At this point, I move on to the middle finger; then the ring finger; the pinky; then the thumb. Then I repeat on the other hand.

    Once I have gotten this far I start to expand the field of attention to include two fingers at a time…sometimes on the same hand, sometimes opposite hands. And then 4 fingers, 6, 8, 10, then the whole of both hands…you can make a game of it.

    The hands seem to be a good place to start – it’s much harder to do with the feet, probably because we have a large percentage of our cortical mapping mapped to the hands, and relatively less to other parts of the body.

    I don’t typically try to feel ‘the breath’ in the body parts as you would in a proper Stage 5 practice. Just very clearly feel the body parts (or groups of parts). The whole practice takes me about 45 minutes, but can be adjusted. I have also followed along Culadasa’s guided body scan meditation while lying down, and that works quite well, too, but this one requires less setup time, won’t wake up the person sleeping next to me, and is adjustable to my liking.

    Hope this helps,

    Jeff

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    #2357

    JavaJeff
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    OK, well if that’s how you guys feel, then I too want to say thank you to Blake and Meshe — I’m continuing my yoga practice alongside TMI based in part on your replies. 🙂

    #2347

    JavaJeff
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    Blake, thank you for the link to the AYP site. I had run across it before, but had dismissed it because it was asking for $$$. Now I see there is an enormous amount of information there that is free.

    Not to hijack the thread, but question: did you study this material as a separate discipline, or just pick a few techniques to integrate into your existing meditation practice? I have been interested in kundalini yoga for a while now, but I have been hesitatnt to adopt a whole new framework of philosophy and terminology on top of what I already have for my Theravadan Buddhism practice. The spinal breathing technique (https://www.aypsite.org/41.html) in particular seems interesting and is quite similar to what Reggie Rae teaches in his ‘central channel’ meditations…I wondered if it might make a good supplement to my existing TMI practice.

    #2314

    JavaJeff
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    Thank you for the link, Blake. I think I’ve read that post 3 times now but each time I re-read it, I get more out of it!

    I have a couple of points of confusion, but am also having a hard time putting them into words, so I’ll ponder them for a bit and the post back here if they are still confounding me. In the meantime I have to trust Culadasa when he says that these things will all become clear in time, as I progress into more advanced stages.

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