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  • #3344

    Florian
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    Hello Francis,

    I might be able to add my two cents regarding slouching: when I started doing sitting practice I encountered the same problem: my posture tended to fall into a slouch after only a few minutes of sitting, then I’d be occupied with correcting for that through the whole sit. What helped a lot with that was doing some exercises for my back musculature. That way the slouching started subsiding after some weeks, until one day it was no problem anymore.

    Your issue with the head tilting to the right I’d like to second: I got the same thing. Whenever I’m concentrated on the cushion my head tilts slowly to the right where it then stays locked.
    Culadasa talks about something like that in one of the audios of a teaching retreat (The Jhanas, Part 3, around minute 57).
    Not sure if that’s the same thing as your (or my) phenomenon.

    So no. Not much advice. Mostly testimony: I did correct for slouching until it was not necessary any longer. I don’t correct for head tilting ๐Ÿ™‚

    As for controlling the breath: it’s not easy watching the breath without influencing the breath. All I can say is that with me it gets better as time goes on.

    As for striving for progress: Don’t strive. Progress comes on its own. Just enjoy the time you’re taking. Each sit is cool and enriching on its own. (And yes: the less you strive, the more you achieve. There’s nothing like inverse psychology…).

    But this is all from a novice. Please take it with some grains of salt.

    All the best
    Florian

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    #3307

    Florian
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    Oh, thanks a lot!
    How could I miss that. It’s right there.
    Very cool. Thanks!

    Edit: Edited, just to try out the editing function.
    My life just became better ๐Ÿ™‚

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    #3296

    Florian
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    Hello Eli,

    first of all: great that you’re here! Congrats on starting a meditation practice.
    I might be mistaken, but training the mind appears to be the wisest thing homo sapiens sapiens can do.
    So: keep at it, you’re totally in the right place and doing the right stuff!

    Let’s see if I can be of some assistance here:

    1. The issue with your former housemate and the other person:
    I’m coming here from an evolutional/psychological standpoint (see “Why Buddhism is True” by Robert Wright for further reference).
    The disturbance/pain you’re experiencing seems to originate in the social rejection/exclusion you’re experiencing.
    After all you “lost” friends/aquaintances. Now being the social animals that we are, falling in discgrace with our fellow humans
    is something that does not feel good for us. After all, we thrive on social connections.
    So if I were to estimate, I’d say this pain might stay with you for a while.
    As far as issues to deal with: Forgiving yourself? Look at it this way: there’s actually nothing to forgive (and nobody who actually needs forgiveness :))
    The things that happened lay in the past (and you did all the appropiate atonement).
    Rather than dwelling in what happened and what might be necessary to be done, use the pain as part of your practice:
    Whenever the thoughts of the event/people comes to you (on or off cushion), it will probably come together with some emotion
    – which in turn will manifest as a physical sensation: oberserve that and what it does to you.
    It will be elusive and difficult in the beginning, and you may very well be dragged into the story of what happened and what you could have done differently and what you need to do now etc, etc (aka: you will “identify with the thought/emotion”).
    But with time, you’ll get better at just watching the emotion arise as well as its effects.
    So: make the pain not your enemy or your hindrance, make it an object of contemplation and study.
    And I bet that interesting things will happen.

    2: I really got no concrete idea on that one. Just some random thoughts: Bad sleep can be caused by wrong sleeping conditions: are your sleeping quarters ventilated? Did you take caffeine bevore sleeping (which is a bad idea)? Is it maybe too warm in your sleeping quarter? Stuff like that.
    As with feeling worn out after a bad night: well that’s pretty natural. My own approach to sleepiness/gross dullness is taking a nap during the day.
    About 30-40 minutes can work wonders.
    Against short episodes of strong dullness on cushion I got good results by holding the breath:
    After the outbreath I’d simply not breath in for a while (and concentrate on my heartbeat).
    When my body starts clamoring for air, I’d start breathing very very shallowly for a little while
    (which seems to satisfy the breathing reflexes whithout actually getting any air into your lungs).
    And after some seconds more I’d finally breath in again.
    That seems to flood the body with stress hormones and get you going again.
    Has the downside of agitating the mind though, so if you overdo it, concentration still goes down the drain ๐Ÿ™‚

    3: Checking in: Yeah, me too. Never quite got that part. Kinda skipped it actually (I think).
    What I did try to do was simply to evaluate very shortly how my mind was doing: Am I sleepy? Dull? Edgy?
    Is my concentration stronger/weaker/narrower/wider than the last days?
    After a while this evaluation will happen “automatically” – aka Awareness will take care of it. But you gotta “train” it first by looking at that stuff with Attention.

    4: Same here. It gets better though: Meditation practice is all about positive reinforcement and habit building. Just give it time. Try to get on cushion every day. At the same time if possible. Make that “your” time: time to relax, heal, strengthen yourself.
    And: reading about meditation is fascinating anyway, so no problem there ๐Ÿ™‚

    Hope that helps a little.
    All the best!

    #3285

    Florian
    Member

    Hi bluelotus9,

    I can not offer any scholarly opinion on the topic, but my personal experience tells me that no: compassion actually grows. As to why, here’s what I experienced:

    Long before you start to experience the fact that whatever you think of as “You” is actually a construct of your brain evolved because it’s useful to think of yourself of the agent of your life (since we are social and information exchanging animals), there happens something else: you start to understand on an experiencal level the inner workings of your mind/body system.
    You start to realize how emotions and thoughts work (and work together) and whatnot.
    This seems to strengthen your understanding of the other human (and nonhuman) animals around you. You start to realize that if they hurt, they act not out of malice but that they can’t really help themselves.
    The same goes for suffering people: you see their suffering and know that there’s a way out for them. After all, you glimpsed that way. These realizations (at lesat with me) strenghten your empathic abilities.

    As for anatta: the only glimpse I’ve personally had of no-self actually was around a realization of compassion and self-sacrifice.

    So no. Don’t worry. I’m pretty sure you’ll just get more compassionate as your understanding of how your mind really works grows ๐Ÿ™‚

    And after all: there’s Metta meditation.

    Wish you all the best.

    #3281

    Florian
    Member

    Hello again.
    Haven’t found the article that I mentioned before, but stumbled onto another one on caffeine addiction:
    Caffeine Use Disorder: A Comprehensive Review and Research Agenda
    All the best

    #3260

    Florian
    Member

    Thank you very much Ivan.
    Orders are placed and books will be read ๐Ÿ™‚

    Greetings,
    Florian

    #3256

    Florian
    Member

    Hello dcurtis

    Just ran into your post and wanted to reply affirmatively to you and Tony-James:
    I observed the very same thing as you do.
    A certain low amount of caffeine will have positive, energizing effects on me, but as soon as I consume too much it’ll ruin my day:
    Anxiousness and irritability followed by feeling worn out and overly tired (when the high wears off).
    The effects will be felt firstly and stronger in meditation.
    Afaik there’s even some research on the very same thing, rememer having read of some kid who developed a caffeine dependency problem with Coke

    Maybe try something else than coffee: green/black tea or mate. Maybe even thinned out with some water.
    Tbh: best thing seems to be to get off caffeine altogether (not that I managed yet)

    All the best
    Florian

    #3222

    Florian
    Member

    Hi Alex and Maria,

    ich lebe in Nรผrnberg.

    Count me in.

    GrรผรŸe
    Florian

    P.S.: gonna be offline for the next few days, but definitely interested.

    #3029

    Florian
    Member

    Hi Eric,

    thanks for pointing out the book.

    Actually, I think something I read in the fifth Interlude (on the Mind System Model) about Metacognitive Introspective Awareness plays part in the concept I had when starting this thread (page 212):

    “Metacognitive introspective awareness is not just awareness of individual thoughts, memories, and emotions arising and passing. Itโ€™s a much more powerful and useful form of introspective awareness. In this type of awareness, the narrating mind takes the individual mental objects in peripheral awareness, processes and binds them together, and then projects a description of the current state and activities of the mind into consciousness. These binding moments of introspective awareness provide a comprehensive awareness of the mind itself.”

    So might “Thought type No 2” be a verbalized output of Introspective Awareness?

    Howewer, maybe we should lay this topic to rest.

    Thanks again for your input and much Happiness

    #3019

    Florian
    Member

    Hi Tim, hi ward,

    Thanks to both of you for taking the time to respond.

    My question is not so much about meditation practice per se, I’m rather looking for a conceptual framework here.

    (To give you a bit of background information about where I’m coming from with this question:
    I’m working with TMI, and find myself in stage four – Mindwandering has pretty much disappeared – down to a frequency of maybe once every two sittings.At the moment I’m working on Introspective Awareness and overwoming Gross Distractions.)

    @ward: agree, some thoughts are way sneakier than others :9
    @Tim: I found it actually helpful to “sublabel” my discoursive mind events. Turns out, there’s certain issues that tend to capture my attention more than others.

    May you be happy and content.

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